Something’s going wrong inside of you
Burdens bearing down and seeping through
Well, I don’t want to bleed anymore for you
And I don’t want to breathe any hatred too
–Wasting Time, Collective Soul 1994
Over the past 48 hours I have been inundated with hate messages which are comments that pedophiles are attempting to post to my blog. — Daydreamer of Oz
She makes such pretty allegations of our ‘hate messages’ in her blog and this prompted her to start Absolute Zero as a counterattack.
It has come to my attention that I am not the only one being bullied by these guys on the net. — Daydreamer of Oz
And she wants YOU to join in with her and fight against the ‘bullying’
behavior of my brothers and sisters. Her appeal for help has spread through the blogosphere like wildfire, creating an unbelievable sense of unity as people join in on the digital witch-hunt. Lines of division have nearly disappeared as left joins right in single-minded pursuit of ’stopping the bullies’ from ‘intimidating’ Daydreamer and the ‘good guys’ are encouraged to join in the fight…
My Stance
[Rookie,] you suggested in your post that perhaps we don’t listen enough to what the anti-pedos have to say. Bull-fucking-shit. We listen to their venom day and night, every single day of the week, every single time we pick up a magazine or watch the latest TV talk show or police drama where they are attacking and misrepresenting us… –Dissident
..it has come to my attention that one of our bloggers is being attacked by a group of pedophiles, these people want the rest of us to accept this perversion as if it were a human rights movement. –Bushwack
…a blog called Daydreamer of Oz (a well written blog, BTY) that is under attack by pedophiles. Go over and offer some support. You might want to leave a comment letting the world know just what you think of child molesters. –Lemuel Calhoon
I have a blog called the Metal Pundit, and I also blog with BigNewsDay. We all support you and will help in whatever way to stop pedophiles. –Lefty Metalhead
I found these sicko’s who are listed as friends on debatecrime along with this freak Viamund the Rake after pedophiles started bombarding my daughter with hate mail and of course arguments for their disease. Daydreamer is staying strong in refusing them any voice at all on her blog. –Stitches77
As if that were not enough, members of the MAA community have begun to join in chiding and telling us we need to calm down. Most notably we have Rookie Revolyob of Paiderastia and Wikipedia fame posting to GirlChat and his own blog the following comments:
This ain’t cool, people. As much as I might dispise [sic] some of the thinking that goes on in the minds of people who don’t agree with me, I personally always attempt my damndest [sic] to keep my cool and respond patiently and responsibly to whatever a person might say. –Rookie

The problem is all this is ‘nonce-sense’ and Rookie has found himself very much taken in by people playing the victim card.
You Have Awakened a Sleeping Giant…
I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’
It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they’d write me a letter
Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be over
–Not Ready To Make Nice, Dixie Chicks 2006
Recently I made a brief post regarding Dutch paedophiles who are hoping to form a political party. A group of paedophile activists found this and immediately began trying to use my blog as a platform to push their agenda please accept us and say we’re ok. When I said this would not happen and began moderating comments, the true trouble began. I was bombarded with emails of many descriptions. These ranged from mere ‘explanations’ of why I am wrong in stating that paedophilia is not acceptable to more threatening and hateful comments. — Daydreamer of Oz
So inncocent sounding, isn’t it? ‘I made a post and these people attacked me!!!1 1one’ Only the truth is somewhat different because if you look at what actually happened…
I’m like the coolest person on the planet! I succeeded in provoking Doc enough to get him to follow me over & respond. All hail Daydreamer
— Daydreamer of Oz
Seeing as how the ‘Doc’ in question is a member in Blogger I surfed over to see what the debate was about…
As far as offending pedophiles goes, what about it? The one in question may not be the most well spoken or rational when it comes to debating these issues, but he has every right to be offended by anyone putting him in the same boat as criminals. Declaring “pedophile” to be synonymous with “child molester” is no different than declaring “heterosexual” to be synonymous with “rapist”. [...] Perhaps the most intriguing part of it all is that you posted this hate-group rhetoric on a public blog and really expected nothing but support…
–Demosthenes
One of my regular readers responded to my previous post about the abolition of suspended sentences, disagreeing with my argument. Whilst I’m more than happy to be disagreed with (I love nothing more than a vigorous debate), the comment prompted me to reflect on some of the misconceptions that people have in regards to offending and criminality. [...] That’s both completely correct and entirely misleading. Of course, you wouldn’t know that if you didn’t read the study yourself.
This result by the BJS is pretty consistently reflected in the sex offender research literature. Zgoba and Simon (2005), doing a seven-year follow up of nearly 500 sex offenders who attended a treatment program in New Jersey found a recidivism rate for sex offenders of 14%, compared to 24% for nonsexual reoffending. Studies which have found much higher rates of recidivism for sex offenders have been found to contain sampling biases which have affected the outcomes of the study (see, for example, Webster, Gartner & Doob, 2006). — dr. faustus
The nice thing about linking this is how it shows Daydreamer and her cohorts to be completely disingenuous when they pretend to be ignorant of facts. It is clear here by the discussion she is knowledgeable but chooses to follow the mantra of not wishing to be confused with the facts because her mind is made up!
* Most (90% to 98%) child molesters are “situational offenders” who abuse children because of stress or because they need a “power fix”.
I like how these magic numbers keep popping up. If you are going to state these things as facts, you need to reveal your sources. Until then, this is just your opinion.Daydreamer of Oz
I’ll give you a bone Daydreamer–check the picture here with the graph. It’s a little out of date (2004) and if you know of any thing more recent I’d be thrilled to know where you found it so I can add the link to my posts and update my data. Then see here and here. The information is out there even if most of it is buried in pathology and criminal investigation work. Just like it was once buried when the big targets were homosexuals. Not that I think you need me to tell you this, given how literate you seemed to be on this subject when dueling with the good doctor I’m given to think your claims of ignorance are based more on strategy than actual lack of knowledge. Also I’d like to remind you and my other readers the large percentage of pedophiles do not come into contact with minors sexually at all and are law abiding citizens. The figures used above and the sources indicated are stuck using figures gained from criminal respondents due to the very pedophile panic Daydreamer and her cohorts seek to perpetuate.
Going back to the hows and whys and wherefores of how this all started, Daydreamer made a purposely flamatory post on her blog in which she said in part:
If your stance on this issue is that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, then there’s nothing wrong with this scenario, is there? I can’t get my bp down low enough to write more about it so help me fill in the gaps, people
–Daydreamer of Oz
To this plea for ‘help’ in understanding our friend Lepidopterist posted:
I was completely sickened by that web site. People like that do not deserve to breathe. I may be on the opposite end of the political spectrum from you, but all of you have my complete support in taking on these sick #^^%’s –BigNewsDay
Dear Daydreamer,You start your post with an error: pedophilia is not a crime. The orientation of pedophilia is the attraction of adults to minors, not the abuse of them. This is such a common error but ti has to be pointed out for the sake of clarity.
The NVD is certainly a strange party, advocating besides pedophilia public nudity, animal sex and even daytime porn (!)
However, the point in such a party as the NVD is to give the oppressed a voice, as pedophilia – or the attraction some normal adults have to minors – has been misunderstood for too long.
The NVD is not a party with serious hopes of taking control of the Netherlands, a country firmly within the grasp of the Evil Empire but it may take a seat or two.
Furthermore please do not associate pedophiles with any people like murderers or maniacs. This sort of callous insult is what created the NVD in the first place.
Worrying isn’t it?
Instead of taking the opportunity to engage Lepidopterist in an honest discussion when he was answering her request for information, Daydreamer fired back with insults and told him:
Lepidopterist,
Pedophilia is a crime.
There are no normal adults who are attracted to minors.
I will continue to associate pedophiles (as I see from clicking on your link that you are one) with murderers and maniacs because they’ve all got psychological problems that allow them to hurt other people.
You need to seek psychological counselling rather than flaunting your perversion across the net.
Then to add injury to the insults she already tossed out she proceeded to make a new blog post, complaining at the rudeness of someone posting in response to a question she asked. Worse she compounded her earlier insulting language — which Lepidopterist had already requested politely she quit doing — with more of the same and a request for all her readers:Winston Smith A.K.A. Debatecrime [aka] Lepidopterist Lives in [..inaccurate..] is a diseased delusional freak, I never gave you Death threats, I merely stated we are going to play a game of “Pulp Fiction” and you will be playing the GIMP So practice climbing in and out of a small box “Gimp” –Hellpig
It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for an admitted pedophile to come to my blog and say that I’m offending him by comparing him to a sexual criminal. [...] If you are like me and find this extremely offensive, please follow his link and flag him for offensive content. You might want to flag all of his favourites as well, they are all offensive. The more people who flag a blog, the sooner it comes to the attention of blogger. I am also investigating possible routes of further action. –Daydreamer of Oz
If anyone sees any of these types of sites, please click the “Flag” link at the top of the page to let Blogger know that you find web sites promoting the molestation of children offensive.–BigNewsDay
It was an understandably incredulous Lepidopterist who went to GirlChat and asked: “What FURTHER ACTION???” The general consensus was Daydreamer would try to report his blog to Blogger– and since Lepidopterist has broken no laws in his blog — Blogger would ignore him. A few of the people on GirlChat posted that they had posted on the board and copied their posts as part of the message they left on the board regarding the discussion. One person asked where Daydreamer’s report box was, then decided to just make a reply to the blog and hope for the best. His reply was also posted at GirlChat. It brings up an interesting question though…

What gives her the right to report others when she has removed that function and is not herself subject to such reporting?
I Have Not Yet Begun to Fight…

Get Up, Stand Up, stand up for your right
Get Up, Stand Up, don’t give up the fight
Get Up, Stand Up. Life is your right
So we can’t give up the fight
Stand up for your right, Lord, Lord
Get Up, Stand Up. Keep on struggling on
Don’t give up the fight
We’re sick and tired of your ism and skism game
Die and go to heaven in Jesus’ name, Lord
We know when we understand
Almighty God is a living man
You can fool some people sometimes
But you can’t fool all the people all the time
So now we see the light
We gonna stand up for our right
–
Get Up, Stand Up Bob Marley & Peter Tosh 1973
I can track the url from which visitors enter my blog [...] They’re telling all their goons to come over and tell me how crazy and hateful I am. It is becoming increasingly clear that their agenda is to bully, threaten and otherwise attempt to intimidate me into silence. — Daydreamer of Oz
Most of these fools are everyday people you see on the street. They are not living some isolated life like most would think. They are out there, everywhere. You might even work with a few of them. That’s what disgusts me. Just knowing that I might acually associate with one and not know it. Pedophiles dare not say what they beleive in public because they know they will get the living shit beat out of them. And rightfully so. So in conclusion, do the world a favor and murder a pedophile. –Anonymous
I guess he didn’t like my posting? I only told him we were going to play “Pulp Fiction” and to guess which part he was playing…. Oh then I told him I was going to castrate him when I get to the UK –Hellpig
Child sex offenders need be shot in the head in town square, period. –Malinda777
I personally can’t believe that there are so many pedophiles “coming out” online. How disgusting! Thank God I’m not one of these people; but if I was I would hope I would have the good sense to shoot myself… ‘mary’
You may also find it interesting to note that of all the people I know they’ve harassed, they’ve all been women. Not one man. We are starting a blog to combat these morons so check back with me soon! P.S. I suggest we go with [Anonymous'] idea
–Daydreamer of Oz
And they wonder why we are offended? This woman and her ilk run around spewing their hate, their incitement to murder, their attempts to censor the speech of others… Oh and for the record we have posted to men in attempts to discuss the issues–all of our posts have disappeared into the black hole known as comments moderation. In fact I’m honestly skeptical that you or your friends have actually gotten any ‘hate email’ because when you attempted to justify the launch of your new hate speech blog: Absolute Zero you had to dip into the messages posted on a forum for pedophiles. Messages quoted out of context usually — because there was no reason why my words had to have been brought into things when you were trying to quote Lepidopterist — and usually relayed in frustration that you and your friends had chosen to slander and wax eloquent about the various methods you could murder innocent people while denying them a opportunity to defend themselves.
It is very easy to be brazen and bold under the cover of anonymity. These people can only pick on an adult when they *believe* there’s no way for the other person to find out who and where they are. [...] You know that you’re sick and deranged and that’s why you keep your secret on the net anonymously. — Daydreamer of Oz
Pot. Kettle. Black?
Keep in mind that it is not I who started this fight. This whole thing began when you decided to not only demonize an individual but also an entire class of human beings. It was you who made this post inevitible, when you decided to encourage people to report blogs sight unseen the only offense commited was in being born with an orientation they had no control over. Did you choose to be white? A woman? Did you make the choice to be heterosexual? Neither did we choose to be who we are. What right then do you make war against us?
Paedophilia, is an orientation–deny it all you want– and it is not a crime. It is not immoral. There is nothing wrong with an attraction. There is no sin involved in loving someone. In fact it amazes me that a God who took the time to explain in lurid detail why he hates Clams, oysters, crabs, lobsters, and shrimp and yet he is somehow unable to take the time out to discuss pedophilia. At ALL. Perhaps he forgot? I mean the worst sin in the world– it “kills souls” you know– and God just completely manages to forget to say anything about it? Or maybe your confusion is because whenever you define pedophile you always use the words from the psychopath listing?

I don’t know. I do know nature itself conspires against you. Puberty has been coming at an earlier age in nearly all cultures and the trend shows that continuing to be the case. Studies continue to come out that mock your opinions. What else are we to make of the recent news that your life expectancy is largely determined by the age your mother was at birth? That said I don’t expect you or any of your cohorts to change anytime soon and you don’t have to. We Paederotics have learned from the lessons of history all we really have to do is wait you out — you fools! Did you really delude yourselves into thinking it was only about sex? Projection much? While you and your third husband are shopping the children back and forth in between your busy schedules and big screen televisions we’re the ones they’ll turn to. There’s a reason why children continue to turn to those of my community– it’s because we really do care for them and they can sense our sincerity.
my perspective v2.0
and i have a message for you – a message from one of an entire race
of pipers, and it is this:
get rid of your own rats this time. this time around we will not
do it for you, nor will we lead your kids away.
but remember one thing:
if you don’t – your children will follow us of their own accord,
and you will not be able to stop them.
so clean up your act – ok?
–AlbertRoss
Honestly its those of you who are so virulently sex-negative that worry me the most! Statistically you’re the most likely of all people to snap and do something unforgivable to ‘your’ children and harm the ones we love. You find us untrustworthy because we refuse to repress ourselves and see ourselves as victims? I find your unhealthy preoccupation with supressing your sex drives and the negative body image problems you posion your progeny with even more disturbing! Scroll back up the page and look at figure 5-2 again. There’s a reason why the vast majority of those who abuse children sexually are parents or other ‘guardian’ figures. It’ss because those of you in that position who have bought into the sick idea you own ‘your’ children are but one step away from using your property for your own selfish gratification.

Can we at long last dispense with the overused, beaten to death, sterotype of Stranger Danger? The fact remains– no matter how much it is attempted silence the truth– the fact remains the biggest dangers to your children are not paedophiles. You know this! The biggest danger to your children are you yourselves. Parents. Uncles. Stepfathers. The self-actualized paedophile is the one who will ask and accept yes and no for an answer. Parents and other authority figures have long been accustomed to simply taking what they want and forcing children to comply with their wishes. In my book that’s a precursor to rape. How DARE you project that on to us! How dare you make us the fall guys for your actions! How DARE you get on your high horses when we respond to provocation and declare us to be once again your convient scapegoats!
–I*Love*Green*Olives (who could go on and on with this subject but has decided to save it for the next post)